Season 4 | Episode 13

Hail Mary

Transcript

The climate crisis is not just a problem of carbon emissions: it's one of inequality. In fact, global warming and global inequality are the same problem manifesting in different ways. And one of the places we see this connection clearly is at COP26. 

This is Threshold Season 4: “Time to 1.5.” In this episode, we follow the conflict over loss and damage, mitigation, and finance in the negotiating room. Who wins and who loses in the making of an international climate pact? 

This episode contains strong language that may not be suitable for all listeners. 

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Original illustration by Sally Deng © 2021.

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COP26: The Negotiations Explained
COP26: The Negotiations Explained

Resource provided by the UN Climate Change Conference

The surprising story of ‘warming stripes’
The surprising story of ‘warming stripes’

Article published in The New York Times

How to Fight Climate “Delay”—Denial’s Hipper, More Dangerous Cousin
How to Fight Climate “Delay”—Denial’s Hipper, More Dangerous Cousin

Article published in The New Republic

Climate change: Bonn talks end in acrimony over compensation
Climate change: Bonn talks end in acrimony over compensation

Article published by BBC

 

Guests

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Dr. Saleemul Huq
Dr. Saleemul Huq

Saleemul Huq OBE is a Bangladeshi-British scientist and is the Director of the International Centre for Climate Change & Development based in Bangladesh, and Professor at Independent University, Bangladesh. He is an expert in the field of climate change, environment and development.

Dr. Adelle Thomas
Dr. Adelle Thomas

Adelle is Senior Caribbean Research Associate for the IMPACT project and part of the Science team at Climate Analytics. She is also a Senior Fellow at The University of The Bahamas. Her focus is on aspects of social vulnerability, adaptation strategies and loss and damage.

Dr. Siobhan McDonnell
Dr. Siobhan McDonnell

Dr. Siobhan McDonnell is a lawyer and anthropologist with over 20 years of experience working with Indigenous people in Australia and Oceania on land rights, gender, and climate change issues. She is a Senior Lecturer at Crawford School of Public Policy, and has been a lead negotiator on climate change for the Vanuatu and Fiji governments.

Time to 1.5

Hail Mary is episode thirteen in Threshold Season 4, Time to 1.5

Credits

This episode of Threshold was produced and reported by Nick Mott and Amy Martin, with help from managing editor Erika Janik and Sam Moore. The music is by Todd Sickafoose. The rest of the Threshold team is Caysi Simpson, Deneen Wiske, Eva Kalea and Shola Lawal. Our intern is Emery Veilleux. Thanks to Sally Deng, Maggy Contreras, Hana Carey, Dan Carreno, Luca Borghese, Julia Barry, Kara Cromwell, Katie deFusco, Caroline Kurtz, and Gabby Piamonte. Special thanks to Becca Richie, Damon Matthews, Rachel Waldholz, Carolyn Beeler, Taliah Farnsworth, Christopher Preston, Leslie Scott, Katy Scott, Joseph Harvey, and Abe.

 

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